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You have got to be kidding. "Members of Hamas raped Israeli womem, and so, all of Palestine must suffer endlessly to protect the chastity of Israeli women from even the specter of rape." Nothing to say about Hamas killing those women also, and their livestreaming the rapes and killings? Nothing to say about Hamas taking elderly women and children hostage, including a 9 month old baby and his 4 year brother? And then killing them? And then parading their bodies in front of a sign blaming Israel for their deaths, and showing Netanyahu as a vampire? And nothing about Hamas saying they were also returning the body of their mother, but it turned out not to be their mother Shiri Bibas, but a unidentified woman who wasn't related to them, as DNA tests revealed?

Hamas killed 1200 people including women like Shani Nicole Louk whose body was taken to Gaza as a trophy to be spat on. Hamas booby trapped the bodies of some of the women they killed and mutilated so Israelis trying to recover them would be blown up and killed.

Israel is only doing what any other country would do after being invaded and after their citizens were brutally killed. Israel is fighting to free the hostages. Many of the hostages have testified that they were raped and tortured.

I don't understand your reasoning that Israel is wrong for fighting Hamas after Hamas killed and raped thousands and took others hostage- and I don't understand your not supporting any of the women who survived being raped and tortured by Hamas.

"And no matter that the Israeli occupation of Palestine, which is presently in its 78th and deadliest year, yet, resembles nothing so much as American terrorism against Blacks, by lynching, in the Jim Crow south" Gaza wasn't occupied on October 7. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. It's self governing, governed by Hamas. Egypt also blockades Gaza, for the same reasons Israel does: to keep weapons out of Gaza and to protect their citizens from terrorist attacks (Hamas has also attacked Egypt and killed Egyptians). Strangely I see few people condemn Egypt for blockading Gaza, for not allowing more Palestinians to enter Egypt through its border crossing at Rafah, and for not sending more aid. Is that because Egyptians are also brown and Muslim? Is that because accusing Egypt of carrying out Jim Crow terrorism and oppression doesn't have the same charge as a comparison, because people don't think of Egyptians as white "Europeans" or "colonizers" who lynch? Actually Hamas lynched on camera a Tanzanian student who they took hostage and forced into Gaza. Where's your outrage about that?

"Protect all women" unless they're Jewish? "Never Again for Everyone" except Israelis?

By the way, if a woman is raped by someone who isn't white do you think it's racist for her to speak out?

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Remember Pearl Harbor? The US declared war on Japan after Japan's attack killed 2,403 people. An argument can be made regarding the morality of the US' war on Japan, as 550,000 to 800,000 Japanese civilians were killed, including 150,000 to 246,000 in the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

My comments yesterday were emotional (I'm sorry about this, I should have used reasoned argument in a more dispassionate tone) , but I want you to understand that for Americans who lost family and loved ones who were fighting for their country, it is upsetting to read that America uses rape as a tool of war. Especially people of color who lost loved ones and family who served in the armed forces. America fought Japan to free the countries and peoples who were under the oppression of the brutal Japan occupation. Japan forced between 50,000 and 200,000 Korean women into sexual servitude as "comfort women". Imagine Korean American women reading that America uses rape in war which stems from the history of racism against African Americans. They would feel upset that the trauma of Japan's sexually enslaving Koreans was being excluded, the racism of Japanese against Koreans was being erased, and rape was being weaponized to attack Americans. I'm aware that there were instances of American soldiers raping women during WWII and Iraq (I heard about some instances personally talking to relatives who were MPs in WWII). The soldiers who committed them were court-martialed and disciplined. Rape was not official US policy for the armed forces, and cases of American soldiers committing rape were few compared to the massive numbers of rapes carried out by the Soviet Army as the Russians battled Germany.

It is not official policy of the IDF to rape Palestinians. In fact, a published academic paper by Tal Nitzan stated that the Israelis don't rape Palestinian women because they are "racist" (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/124674) A journalist commented, "Such that this situation is unique: An army is found blameworthy of rape, and is also blameworthy of not raping."

I want you to understand how upsetting it is for many people for Israel to be denounced for rape, not only in the light of condemnations of Israel for not raping Palestinian women because they're too racist to see Palestinian women as human, but also in regards to the denial that Hamas raped and killed women on October 7, and raped and killed hostages. It's not only painful for the relatives and families of women who were killed on October 7, and the relatives and families of the hostages, it's distressing when Hamas' rapes and atrocities are simultaneously ignored. Many people are demanding that Hamas be held to account rather than being excused. Many people are furious about Judith Butler and others refusing to condemn Hamas for rape, and accepting rape as method of war when committed by groups they support politically (https://fathomjournal.org/we-can-have-a-debate-about-whether-hamas-did-the-right-thing-judith-butlers-moral-relativism/)

The sign in the picture at the top of this page says "Protect All Women". Imagine being excluded from other women and considered not worth protecting, because of your religion, ethnicity, or politics. Imagine that at the same time people of your religion, ethnicity, or political views are dismissed as rape victims, despite extensive documented evidence of them being raped and murdered, and are incriminated en masse as rapists and murderers. Moreover while your people have been killed by a terrorist group and are being held hostage and tortured by that terrorist groups.

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